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	<description>For the love of a wooden pencil...</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on The Mirado Black Warrior : A Step in Some Direction - Part I by Guest</title>
		<link>http://pencilgrinder.wordpress.com/2008/04/07/the-mirado-black-warrior-a-step-in-some-direction-part-i/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 09:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The USA stamping seems to vary from very heavy (as you've noted) to very light, even on the regular hexagonal Mirado Classic (and also the Prismacolor Turquoise drawing pencils).  This also seems somewhat true of the Prismacolor line (at least from the ones I've seen -- only the USA stamp, as opposed to the foil -- both the hexagonal and round models).

The Mexico Ticonderogas also seem to have a few pencils with very heavy stamping in each dozen (where it is "traditionally" light, such as on the old US models).  (Not so noticeable on the China models).

Speaking of which, perhaps the older Mexico Ticonderogas (with foil stamping imitating US Ticonderogas) are closer to the Mirados.  (Maybe the newer ones with current stamping are, as well.)

With regards to lead... from what I can gather, the China Ticonderogas seem to be more of a soft 1/B -- completely different from the Mirado and even any of the other Ticonderogas.  (Not a good thing for purists, and maybe not so agreeable to some folks.)  When comparing them to Mirados (Classic, Woodtones) or, well, lots of other HB office pencils, it's very, very noticeable.

But, other times, when using the Mirados by themselves, they somehow seem to feel very nice, and quite agreeable ("smooth" in a different manner).  I would actually prefer the Mirados to the [new] Ticonderogas slightly more, even with the discretionarily better China lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The USA stamping seems to vary from very heavy (as you&#8217;ve noted) to very light, even on the regular hexagonal Mirado Classic (and also the Prismacolor Turquoise drawing pencils).  This also seems somewhat true of the Prismacolor line (at least from the ones I&#8217;ve seen &#8212; only the USA stamp, as opposed to the foil &#8212; both the hexagonal and round models).</p>
<p>The Mexico Ticonderogas also seem to have a few pencils with very heavy stamping in each dozen (where it is &#8220;traditionally&#8221; light, such as on the old US models).  (Not so noticeable on the China models).</p>
<p>Speaking of which, perhaps the older Mexico Ticonderogas (with foil stamping imitating US Ticonderogas) are closer to the Mirados.  (Maybe the newer ones with current stamping are, as well.)</p>
<p>With regards to lead&#8230; from what I can gather, the China Ticonderogas seem to be more of a soft 1/B &#8212; completely different from the Mirado and even any of the other Ticonderogas.  (Not a good thing for purists, and maybe not so agreeable to some folks.)  When comparing them to Mirados (Classic, Woodtones) or, well, lots of other HB office pencils, it&#8217;s very, very noticeable.</p>
<p>But, other times, when using the Mirados by themselves, they somehow seem to feel very nice, and quite agreeable (&#8221;smooth&#8221; in a different manner).  I would actually prefer the Mirados to the [new] Ticonderogas slightly more, even with the discretionarily better China lead.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Mirado Black Warrior : A Step in Some Direction - Part I by Dave</title>
		<link>http://pencilgrinder.wordpress.com/2008/04/07/the-mirado-black-warrior-a-step-in-some-direction-part-i/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 20:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just my opinion, but the best pencil Papermate makes is the Mirado Woodtone. The finish is decent and acceptable. The lead is still the same of course, kinda smooth but very light!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just my opinion, but the best pencil Papermate makes is the Mirado Woodtone. The finish is decent and acceptable. The lead is still the same of course, kinda smooth but very light!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Dixon Ticonderoga #2HB - Part 1 by Dave</title>
		<link>http://pencilgrinder.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/the-dixon-ticonderoga-2hb-part-1/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 20:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I can tell, the Mexican made Dixon Ticonderogas were allright for a while, but their quality has dropped off significantly in recent months, especially after the new barrell imprint..("dixon ticonderoga 2 hb" in place of "dixon ticonderoga 1388-2/hb soft"). if you want a good Dixon Ticonderoga, you only have one option right now - the Chinese made Ticonderoga Noir (No Dixon branding, it's such a shame, it's almost like Dixon is ashamed of their product) is pretty good. Writes smooth and dark. Not perfect, mind you - but decent nonetheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I can tell, the Mexican made Dixon Ticonderogas were allright for a while, but their quality has dropped off significantly in recent months, especially after the new barrell imprint..(&#8221;dixon ticonderoga 2 hb&#8221; in place of &#8220;dixon ticonderoga 1388-2/hb soft&#8221;). if you want a good Dixon Ticonderoga, you only have one option right now - the Chinese made Ticonderoga Noir (No Dixon branding, it&#8217;s such a shame, it&#8217;s almost like Dixon is ashamed of their product) is pretty good. Writes smooth and dark. Not perfect, mind you - but decent nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Mirado Black Warrior : A Step in Some Direction - Part I by Kiwi-d</title>
		<link>http://pencilgrinder.wordpress.com/2008/04/07/the-mirado-black-warrior-a-step-in-some-direction-part-i/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiwi-d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 19:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howdy Boris
Now I don't want you to feel any pressure, but...I'm hanging out for Part II.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howdy Boris<br />
Now I don&#8217;t want you to feel any pressure, but&#8230;I&#8217;m hanging out for Part II.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Mirado Black Warrior : A Step in Some Direction - Part I by Stephen</title>
		<link>http://pencilgrinder.wordpress.com/2008/04/07/the-mirado-black-warrior-a-step-in-some-direction-part-i/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Boris, good stuff, I am looking forward to part 2! 

I am also imagining these investigative techniques being applied to other pencils.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Boris, good stuff, I am looking forward to part 2! </p>
<p>I am also imagining these investigative techniques being applied to other pencils.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Mirado Black Warrior : A Step in Some Direction - Part I by pencilgrinder</title>
		<link>http://pencilgrinder.wordpress.com/2008/04/07/the-mirado-black-warrior-a-step-in-some-direction-part-i/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>pencilgrinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 04:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly thought about it but I don't think I will be able to do it with this pack of pencils. All I can say for now is stay tuned for part 2!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly thought about it but I don&#8217;t think I will be able to do it with this pack of pencils. All I can say for now is stay tuned for part 2!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Mirado Black Warrior : A Step in Some Direction - Part I by Kiwi-d</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiwi-d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just curious, since this is clearly not "The Worlds Smoothest Writing Pencil", will you be returning them under the guarantee :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just curious, since this is clearly not &#8220;The Worlds Smoothest Writing Pencil&#8221;, will you be returning them under the guarantee <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Final Thoughts on the Dixon Ticonderoga - Part IV by pencilgrinder</title>
		<link>http://pencilgrinder.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/final-thoughts-on-the-dixon-ticonderoga-part-iv/#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>pencilgrinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 05:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Stephen,

I agree with your comment and Dixon is really missing out on a great marketing opportunity. They could certainly leverage that historical link like nobody else can. I'm sure there were many factors that influenced Dixon's and Fila's choice to break this connection and it would be interesting to see their supporting data. Do they think that the public is generally so out of tune with history that nobody would understand it or even care? I wonder how long it will be before the marketing teams decide to revert back to the "retro" schemes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stephen,</p>
<p>I agree with your comment and Dixon is really missing out on a great marketing opportunity. They could certainly leverage that historical link like nobody else can. I&#8217;m sure there were many factors that influenced Dixon&#8217;s and Fila&#8217;s choice to break this connection and it would be interesting to see their supporting data. Do they think that the public is generally so out of tune with history that nobody would understand it or even care? I wonder how long it will be before the marketing teams decide to revert back to the &#8220;retro&#8221; schemes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Final Thoughts on the Dixon Ticonderoga - Part IV by Stephen</title>
		<link>http://pencilgrinder.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/final-thoughts-on-the-dixon-ticonderoga-part-iv/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A great series. Well done.

Fort Ticonderoga has played an important role in French, British, and especially American history. It played a landmark role in the American revolution. The Ticonderoga pencil has been named and marketed such that its essence and identity are inextricably bound with America and American history.

The problem with making this pencil elsewhere is that the pencil is now alienated from its intrinsic identity.

Dixon, dating from the 18th century, was itself a part of American history. Had it not been purchased by Fila, would overseas manufacturing have been chosen as an option? Was there a misunderstanding by the new owners of what Fort Ticonderoga represents?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great series. Well done.</p>
<p>Fort Ticonderoga has played an important role in French, British, and especially American history. It played a landmark role in the American revolution. The Ticonderoga pencil has been named and marketed such that its essence and identity are inextricably bound with America and American history.</p>
<p>The problem with making this pencil elsewhere is that the pencil is now alienated from its intrinsic identity.</p>
<p>Dixon, dating from the 18th century, was itself a part of American history. Had it not been purchased by Fila, would overseas manufacturing have been chosen as an option? Was there a misunderstanding by the new owners of what Fort Ticonderoga represents?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Final Thoughts on the Dixon Ticonderoga - Part IV by pencilgrinder</title>
		<link>http://pencilgrinder.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/final-thoughts-on-the-dixon-ticonderoga-part-iv/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>pencilgrinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment! When a product is outsourced to another country, we are not only sending the jobs elsewhere but we are also sending the knowledge and expertise away as well. The questions now become, 1) do we care if we lose this knowledge, and 2) do we still retain some of it for future applications? There's lots of things that get outsourced and it's perfectly OK. Consider the manufacturing of clothes. No big deal. Trust me, it's like anyone is ever going to forget how to run a sweat shop. Other outsourcings have stronger ramifications. America once made televisions and now it does not. There is a good chance that America no longer knows how to make a high quality big screen TV from design to manufacture to selling. Does America care that it doesn't know how to make a TV? Is America putting that knowledge aside to pursue other things that nobody knows about at all?

At some point, when a civilization is too dependent on its neighbors or slavery, it will collapse and be taken over. We see this in the West's dependence on oil. The high cost of energy due to the sinking dollar is really putting a damper on things here. However, in the Middle East, money is overflowing hand over fist. 

A very careful balance must be struck between outsourcing and independence. The pencil may not be the defining benchmark of the strength of a civilization in our digital and internet world but it may be reflective of an overall trend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment! When a product is outsourced to another country, we are not only sending the jobs elsewhere but we are also sending the knowledge and expertise away as well. The questions now become, 1) do we care if we lose this knowledge, and 2) do we still retain some of it for future applications? There&#8217;s lots of things that get outsourced and it&#8217;s perfectly OK. Consider the manufacturing of clothes. No big deal. Trust me, it&#8217;s like anyone is ever going to forget how to run a sweat shop. Other outsourcings have stronger ramifications. America once made televisions and now it does not. There is a good chance that America no longer knows how to make a high quality big screen TV from design to manufacture to selling. Does America care that it doesn&#8217;t know how to make a TV? Is America putting that knowledge aside to pursue other things that nobody knows about at all?</p>
<p>At some point, when a civilization is too dependent on its neighbors or slavery, it will collapse and be taken over. We see this in the West&#8217;s dependence on oil. The high cost of energy due to the sinking dollar is really putting a damper on things here. However, in the Middle East, money is overflowing hand over fist. </p>
<p>A very careful balance must be struck between outsourcing and independence. The pencil may not be the defining benchmark of the strength of a civilization in our digital and internet world but it may be reflective of an overall trend.</p>
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